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Acupuncture can work on several issues at once?
If I go to acupuncture, I could have handled a number of problems at some point, they must all be worked separately? For example, say I had a skin problem and nervousness, they could be used both in the same session, or should they be done in separate sessions?
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#3 written by meatball7 1 year ago
Traditional Chinese Medicine does not evaluate systemic illness in at all the same way that allopathic medicine does. …. This requires a good deal of learning (and in many cases ‘un-learning’), in order to come to understand how it works.
A TCM practitioner is trained to make a total assessment of the patient. They do not specifically focus on just the particular ailment for which the patient has come for treatment. All aspects of the person are taken into account, .. so that a person’s skin tone or subtle color, .. as well as the sound of the persons voice and the words they use to describe their experience, …. as well as examining a persons tongue, which provides excellent physical expressions of imbalances in the body.
In addition a well experienced and well trained practitioner is skilled at evaluating the different pulses that are present and available for assessment on each of the wrists. Each of the organ systems in the body/mind have correlating pulses which can be felt and assessed by a skilled practitioner. Such a skill takes time and experience to develop the required sensitivity and understanding to learn to discern what is being felt.
There are even some very traditional eastern practitioners who are very skilled at evaluating a persons internal imbalances by examining and assessing the patients urine. This will include observing such characteristics as the color, smell, ..and even the taste of the patients urine. ……
The term ‘Holistic Medicine’, …. came to be as a result of the gradual re-emergence of traditional, natural forms of healing such as those that come from eastern culture. …… This is a healing approach that is based on an understanding of the fact that no part of the body/mind is separate from any other. … Just as the field of environmental science has come more and more to understand that all aspects of a natural eco-system are directly connected and dependent upon each other, … so too, .. all aspects of the body/mind are directly connected and a part of one flowing system.
This is in direct contrast to the roots of the western view which is based upon the ‘Cartesian’ model, .. which breaks down the body into specific parts which are assessed and treated individually and very specifically. Thus in the western model, it is very common when a certain organ in the body is diseased in some way, the remedy applied is to simply remove that organ.
….. Most often the underlying imbalance that gave root to that organ failure is never recognized or addressed, … and in many cases if it had been originally addressed earlier in the individuals life, the disease condition present in that organ would never have developed. …….. and in many cases, with the correct treatment from the right traditional healing regimen would gradually over time in fact resolve the problem with the organ and eliminate the need to remove it.Traditional eastern medicine does not treat the symptoms, … it addresses the whole person and the underlying and most often invisible imbalances that the whole system is expressing,.. but which western medicine does not teach how to recognize or even how to look for.
So to answer your question, …. Yes, .. it is very possible that when you obtain a treatment or series of treatments from acupuncture, … that more than one malady may prove to be resolved. …. but this is very often simply because everything in the body/mind is connected, .. so that one problem or symptom is always an expression of an imbalance that is taking place within the whole system and not just the specific area of the body that is exhibiting symptoms.
Of course it is also very often common for a practitioners treatment to focus on addressing more than one problem at the same time. …. This is just not done in such a specific way as would be found in allopathic medicine. …. and as such, .. the results of an acupuncture treatment will often not generally be specific either.
……. Oh, …. and contrary to what ‘Angelhil’ would have you believe, … Tony and I are not at all the same individual. …. and I am not at all commercially involved in the natural health industry. . I wish I was though. There is a great deal of value to be offered to many when it is applied in the correct form and in the right way by a skilled practitioner.
I do have a number of decades of in depth experience in working with different healing arts. I also have training in certain eastern modalities of healing and have been a student of traditional eastern healing arts, which I in fact used for a period of years to make a living with towards helping others to find healing.. I have a very deep respect for what I have come to know as a profound and beautiful system that is rich with great wisdom and understanding that is in fact priceless. … I have witnessed it transform the lives of many individuals over the years, and very much for the better.
This is largely why I find it very sad to see how so many who have no understanding of it and very little or no experience of it, .. reject and dismiss it simply because science has yet to validate it for them. …
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#4 written by Tony I 1 year ago
I suspect that accupuncture could very well address multiple problems or else address a central problem that actually manifests as multiple symptoms.
When people tell you that accupuncture does not work, they are merely showing their bias and/or ignorance. It has worked for thousands of years in oriental medicine the same as have many other natural alternatives the mainstream naysayers will also tell you don’t work. Just remember, these are the same people that tell you vitamins and minerals don’t work either.
Likewise, when such folks tell you that there are no studies, what they must mean is that there are no studies they like or choose to accept. Regardless of the nitpicking they may do, what you will invariably find is that they like studies which give favorable results to mainstream drugs or unfavorable ones to alternatives and dislike the ones that are favorable to anything that represents a threat to mainstream medicine’s patented drugs and treatments.
No positive studies on accupuncture?
http://nccam.nih.gov/research/results/acu-osteo.htm
http://nccam.nih.gov/research/results/spotlight/111408.htm
http://nccam.nih.gov/research/results/spotlight/110209.htm
http://nccam.nih.gov/research/results/spotlight/040109.htm
http://nccam.nih.gov/research/results/spotlight/031709.htm
http://nccam.nih.gov/research/results/spotlight/121208.htm
http://nccam.nih.gov/research/results/spotlight/092107.htm
http://nccam.nih.gov/research/results/spotlight/020808.htmAnother common ploy is to trot out the old “placebo effect” excuse. Funny how they aren’t so quick to use that when they tout mainstream drugs and treatments. When you have the drug industry itself admitting that most of their drugs don’t work for most people and the woefully pathetic chemo success rates against most cancers, the “placebo effect” is not something they want spotlighted – because if it were as high as they contend it is in alternative treatments it would make most chemo and a great many drugs essentially worthless.
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#5 written by Rhianna 1 year ago
Good answer, Ron.
The problem is, there is no good evidence that accupuncture works above the placebo.
Acupuncture is based on a traditional Chinese philosophy that health is dependent on the body’s motivating energy called ‘qi’ moving through a series of meridians beneath the skin. This of course has no factual, rational or indeed scientific basis. It is a metaphysical concept.
Like homeopathy, this is at last being seriously questioned and rejected by the scientific community. It has most of its devotees among those with the vaguer and ill defined symptoms, rather than those with specific disease entities. There is weak evidence that accupuncture is beneficial for subjective issues such as back pain and nausea. have always been soft targets for alternative therapies and it is here where they appear to have most effect. It has been suggested that acupuncture triggers endorphin release, (the body’s natural morphine analogue,) in much the same way as exercise and in this was induces a feeling of wellbeing. It is still possible that needle sticks may do this.
The most common ailment acupuncture is used for is probably back pain; but in a meta-analysis NOTHING came out very effective in dealing with back pain. Whether you saw a GP, a physiotherapist, an acupuncturist, an orthopaedic surgeon an osteopath, a chiropractor or a faith healer etc, more or less the same percentage of patients got better over time anyway.
However, 2 double blind cross over studies showed that these random needle sticks had an exactly analogous placebo effect, around 70% to ‘correctly’ administered acupuncture for pain. This 70% is a classic figure, given for placebo effect in pain relief and would suggest that acupuncture itself has no additional effect above and beyond placebo.
To suggest as the ‘Alties’ that just because something has been around a long time it must work is a nebulous argument, the “appeal to tradition”, which in no way guarantees efficacy. However, there is no doubt that it contributes to the ‘power’ of the placebo effect as does of course the large amount of theatrics involved.
Even used as a placebo acupuncture is not without risk. In the late 90′s a systematic review showed that there were documented cases of deaths after acupuncture, some due to septicaemia, cardiac tamponade and one induced an acute asthmatic attack. Also there have been cases of infections such as hepatitis B, HIV and sub-acute bacterial endocarditis and spinal cord injury. With no evidence of efficacy, why take the risk?
Conclusion? Hang on to your money. Conventional medicine unquestionably has its limitations, but at least it is increasing based on rational study and reproducible results.
The guys at SBM cover this topic pretty well:-
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#6 written by carolyn 1 year ago
Definately. I love acupuncture or acupressure. The potent points used are useful for many different areas not just skin. Incidently the Skin is associated with Liver/acid/fire so points of energy that associate with the liver are used. Nerves would probably be adrenals and that is associated with fire and any point that reduces the fire in the body will relieve Nervousness.
My acupuncturist uses about 15 needles that he watches and removes in about 20 minutes. My excema goes away. Excema is usually related to allergies and excess nervous -
#7 written by Ron 1 year ago
How’s Dr. Cecile Dr. Amber, or any of the other names you go under?
To answer your question (sorry about that but he/she advertises on most alternative health questions), acupuncture doesn’t work on any issues let alone other than by placebo effect.
Don’t get me wrong, the placebo effect can be very strong, which is why they are used in all clinical trials of REAL medicines and therapies.
Acupuncturists like homoeopaths and crystal healers etc. spend a lot more time with a client than the average GP, this starts off the placebo effect straight away by calming the patient, acupuncture with all the rigmarole of scientific looking charts, qualification certificates (which you can buy on line) and then the masterstroke, sticking needles in you, it’s placebo at it’s most powerful.
Acupuncture works best on things that can’t be seen or measured, things like back pain which are often caused by stress, and are also self limiting, the examples you quote would be a perfect money making oportunity for one of these practitioners because skin conditions like exema for instance are directly related to nerves and stress, so beware.
Trials where dummy needles and/or random acupuncture points show no better results than placebo or ‘real’ acupuncture.
James Randi, whom I often quote on alternative therapies and other unscientific/paranormal claims will give any Certified Acupuncturist or health students (I’m sure they’ll answer your question) $1,000,000 if they can prove it works any better than placebo.
The well respected TV program took up this challenge on behalf of homoeopathy and failed completely, he’s just waiting for a acupuncturist to put in a claim (application form included).
EDIT: Please note that the people I mentioned, or any of the other ‘pins & needles’ supporters don’t say why they haven’t taken advantage of JR’s challenge.
EDIT2: Meatball7, is that what you call proof? I’m afraid James Randi would require a little more before parting with his $1,000,000.
EDIT3: The World Health Organisation will be delighted to hear I’m sure that insulin dependance is a thing of the past and it’s been replaced by sticking pins in you.
EDIT4: I wondered where the certified acupunturist was! after very many requests you still haven’t said why you won’t take up JR’s challenge, I’m still looking forward to the excuses.
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#8 written by thenoseknows 1 year ago
Could be your nervous issue is causing your skin problem… TCM/acupuncture is more of a total body/energy holistic approach to health issues. Conventional medicine/allopathy has convinced people that every little symptom requires a separate “treatment”. Not so. TCM is a holistic system of medicine. “Holistic” refers to the whole person (not just parts).
So acupuncture will address many issues at the same time.
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Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM), of which acupuncture is one part, addresses the health of a person as one whole. The treatments are designed to balance one’s health in an overall fashion, systemically.
It is very common to address multiple health issues with TCM.