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The Paleo Diet and Multiple Sclerosis (MS) Part 2/7
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On October 3 2007, Direct-MS (www.direct-ms.org ), sponsored a public presentation by Dr. Loren Cordain of Colorado State University on the topic of “The Paleo Diet and Multiple Sclerosis” (en français “Le régime Paléolithique et la Sclérose en plaques”). Dr Cordain is a leading researcher in the field of the roles that various nutritional factors play in chronic diseases such as MS. A webcast of Dr Cordain’s presentation is on the website www.direct-ms.org and I invite you to watch it in the comfort of your home (High resolution slides). I also recommend going to Dr Cordain’s websites at WWW.THEPALEODIET.COM and http as They contain a wealth of valuable information on nutrition and health. A good and clear summary of the presentation done by Ashton Embry can be found at the following address: www.msrc.co.uk There is also a very interesting interview with Dr Loren Cordain by Robert Crayhon: chetday.com A great 45 minutes audio interview with Dr. Cordain: www.leannesslifestyle.com A list of all the publications related to Dr. Cordain’s work: unjobs.org Origins and evolutions of the western diet:Health implications for the 21st Century www.visioninstitute.optometry.net Implementing of the paleo diet www.visioninstitute.optometry.net Hyperinsulinemic diseases of civilisation: more than just the metabolic syndrome www.visioninstitute.optometry.net An evolutionary analysis of the etiology and pathogenesis of juvenile onset myopia www.visioninstitute.optometry.net
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#3 written by Chrisisms 1 year ago
‘YOU tell me what is adequate for good health’
Organic, raw fruit, sprouts, leafy greens from rich soil.
Bring some background understanding of the issues or some dietary experience and NUMBERS before you bounce around from topic to topic. u have no idea what you are talking about… u don’t even know how much protein humans require, or iron, or anything.
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#4 written by SCROGY 1 year ago
Instead of being such a pompous jackass why don’t you just answer the question? You keep telling me how I am skirting the issue and jumping from topic to topic, but YOU ARE NOT ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS. I will ask again: How much protein is required? I didn;t realise that asking what an adequate amount of Protein is or that it was a meaningless question. So please answer the question. And do it without being a dick if you can.
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#5 written by Chrisisms 1 year ago
Again, HOW MUCH PROTEIN ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? Because ALL the protein needed is easily obtained in fruits/leafy greens and sprouts give you more than enough. EVERY question you’ve asked has been answered. Yet all you can do is jump from topic to topic, maintaining your defiant attitude, cursing and name calling, all while you have NO exclusionary diet experience. There is NOTHING ‘arrogant’ about a humble/sustainable, fruit based diet according to human genetic instructions.
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#6 written by SCROGY 1 year ago
I would be looking for the amount of protein necessary to maintain good health. And you did NOT answer the questions. All you did was avoid answering my questions and say “You don’t know what you are takling about”. I asked you numerous times. There may be nothing arrogant about the diet but there is about someone who avoids answering an honest question and goes: “You know nothing!”……for you to say “more than enough” there must be a baseline to allow you to make that claim.
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#8 written by Chrisisms 1 year ago
‘I would be looking for the amount of protein necessary to maintain good health’
You ‘WOULD BE’ if you weren’t too busy trying to win an argument/defiantly.
But as the case is; you are merely reacting to every point without using ANY science or experience.
u have asked NO ‘honest question’ and you REFUSE to answer questions after questions have been answered for you.
Until you do your homework, you’re not even arguing yet. You’re just having a fit/cursing.
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#9 written by Chrisisms 1 year ago
‘My question is: What is more than enough’
So this entire time you have claimed there is not enough, iron, protein, etc in plant based diets, yet u really are just making it up and u do NOT know how much of these things you need?
In fact there is no shortage of iron, protein, etc in fruit/leafy greens/sprouts from rich soil.
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#10 written by SCROGY 1 year ago
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#12 written by Chrisisms 1 year ago
Animal proteins contain more sulfurous amino acids than vegetable proteins. Protons resulting from the degradation of sulfurous amino acids are a major source of acid. A continuous excess of acid promotes the demineralization of the bones, since H+ ions bind to phosphate ions during formation of hydrogen phosphate.
1) Eur J Nutr 2001 Oct; 40(5): 200-13
2) Am J Clin Nutr 2001 Jan; 73(1): 118-22
3) Osteoporos Int 2001; 12(6): 493-9 -
#13 written by Chrisisms 1 year ago
J Agric Food Chem. 2008 Sep 24;56(18):8418-26.
‘cellular antioxidant activity, total phenolic contents, and oxygen radical absorbance capacity (ORAC) values of 25 fruits commonly consumed in the US. Pomegranate and berries (wild blueberry, blackberry, raspberry, and blueberry) had the highest CAA values, whereas banana and melons had the lowest. Increasing fruit consumption is a logical strategy to increase antioxidant intake and decrease oxidative stress and may lead to reduced risk of cancer. -
#14 written by Chrisisms 1 year ago
“Human milk has the lowest protein concentration (about 7% of energy) of any primate milk that has been studied. In general, it appears that primates produce small daily amounts of a relatively dilute milk (Oftedal 1984). Thus the protein and energy demands of lactation are probably low for primates by comparison to the demands experienced by many other mammals.
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#16 written by 2trey4five 1 year ago
@Chrisisms The amino acid profile of vegetables is not at all comparable to meat (already constructed muscle). For example, you could eat 100 grams of soy protein, but only get a few complete grams of protein because soy like most vegetables is deplete in methionine. Meat has just the right amount. Sure you could add some seasame seeds or something and pop some vitamin B12, but I doubt early man was able to do this. Early man ate meat AND vegetables.
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#17 written by Chrisisms 1 year ago
“amino acid profile of vegetables is not at all comparable to meat”
Exactly! Humans are less likely to get constipation and cancer from vegetables.“eat 100 grams of soy”
Soy is processed beans, not optimal food either w/ too much protein.“Meat has just the right amount”
To maintain rampant degenerative diseases.“pop some vitamin B12″
May as well, unless you’re growing organic plants/unprocessed. Even the farmers pop cobalt into cows for B12…
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#18 written by Naanoux 1 year ago
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#19 written by 2trey4five 1 year ago
@Chrisisms Please go study the scientific method. You’re claiming that all meat is unhealthy by cherry picking studies what that conclusion, ignoring that the human body evolved to eat both plants/animals (see your teeth & digestive system). What you’re doing is called selection bias. Soy is loaded with an extremely estrogenic compound called genistein. Does that mean ALL plant food is bad? No. In science, simply pointing out omega3 rich fish completely eliminates your hypothesis.
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#20 written by Chrisisms 1 year ago
“Please go study the scientific method.”
Yes sir. ready for the test.“all meat is unhealthy”
Correct for all humans and all great apes.“by cherry picking studies”
No, by analyzing the available evidence in epidemiological and controlled studies along with experiential understanding from exclusionary dieting.‘(see your teeth & digestive system’
What about them? Humans have stubby cuspids, the smallest ‘canines’ of all herbivorous great apes and are constipated w/acidosis from meat. -
#21 written by 2trey4five 1 year ago
@Chrisisms Your hypothesis that all meat is bad is wrong. A simple search in pubmed for fish oil, CLA, or vitamin K2 from pastured cattle are examples of healthy meat and logically destroys your hypothesis that *all* meat must be bad. The human digestive system does not have multi-chambers or have the ability to break down cellulose, phytic acid, or gluten. Here’s a youtube vid of chimps hunting/eating a monkey: WDFh5JdYh7I.
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#23 written by Chrisisms 1 year ago
‘having a wild game steak once in a while is not unhealthy’
(citation needed)
carcinogens are most dangerous through repeated exposure even at very low levels UK Control of Substances Hazardous to Health.‘humans have been’
constipated, anxious with acidosis and obese.‘for a long time’
and still haven’t adapted to digest meat.‘I noticed you keep asking this person “how much proteins we need?”
did u notice no response?take the ratio in breast milk it will be more than sufficient.
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#24 written by Chrisisms 1 year ago
@2trey4five ‘Here is an example of meat being healthy. It tends to be healthy whenever the animal ate it’s evolutionary diet (ie it wasn’t sick like people’
Exactly! The animal was eating grass!
But humans aren’t cows. Humans are frugivores, digesting fruit best. So why are u sending posts about how cows eat??
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#25 written by Chrisisms 1 year ago
@2trey4five ‘Your hypothesis that all meat is bad is wrong’
Then it’s time for a test isn’t it?
Would you like to name a disease that tends to occur in your family so that I can explain w/scientifically credible references how meat contributes to the disease? Or shall we go in alphabetical order of diseases that are popular.
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‘Where do we get adequate dietary protein’
If you want specific answers, you have to ask specific questions. This is very basic stuff but I’ll use you as an example for others anyway. To begin, you need to describe ‘adequate’. Please use numbers as that is what science relies on, not your feelings. You are asking meaningless questions. You have to determine the amount of protein that is adequate. Please provide a reason for an unspecified amount of protein you are asking for.